Angels & Demons

The only thing that scares me in this world are people like you Bill...

First of all it's a movie that should never have been made into a book because the book goes into great depth explaining Catholic Church Lore. The movie is forced to basically just give the viewer the highlights, without explanation or real context. That being said, this movie is not about bashing the Catholic Church, it's about posing questions and about depicting a Catholic Church that may not be as pure as it believes itself to be. And for the record, The Illuminati never became violent until the Church attempted to wipe them out through violence. The Catholic Church is nothing more than a bunch of men who wear silly outfits, who do have flaws like the rest of us, and who are apart of a very secret society of their own. The thing that makes this world scary is the fact that so many people place their lives in the hands of fairy-tale concocted by an organization intent on capturing ultimate power and keeping the masses afraid. Fear is the ultimate form of control and the Catholic Church has mastered that ability.

Thanks for your review. Now I will definitely see this movie! I love a good catholic bashing. You say this movie was based on half truths, well, then that makes it twice as truthful as catholicism. As for Bill Maher, I'm sure you're talking about Religulous which is out on DVD and I urge everyone to buy, rent or download it. I do understand why you're upset. I would be upset too if everything I believed in can be disputed and debunked like punching through wet tissue paper by using simple logic and common sense. We are entering a new age: The age of reason. Either drag your nuckles along with us or die out like the do-do.

My name's not Bill but thanks for the note Calhoun...

Thanks for the reply - I have a right to see what I SAW - if you can't see it maybe someday you will... there is only one hope left in this world and that is Jesus Christ. With all of the crap that's out there these days including people like you who are conned everyday we are bound for returning to wild wild west... the world is getting filthy and angry - the age of innocence is gone - you choose to look at something because you have already made up your mind before you see something and then it suits you to agree - instead of doing some research and seeing the good that the Catholic church does like supporting over 55 charities yearly with sharely life giving billions to people in need - but you do want to look at that now do you - Until you truly taste and see I have no reason for debate with you. I GIVE IT A 3!

I have no problem having a debate with intelligent people. When you use the term "a bunch of men who wear silly outfits" that basically gives yourself away. An unlearned person who is content believing something without actually investigating it. And for your information it was a BOOK made into a MOVIE not the other way around. You see it as FEAR - I see is as HOPE! The Catholic church gives human beings hope by believing in the only person in Jesus Christ to save this planet from ruin. This might seem like mumbo jumbo to you and it's understandable as long as you have your head buried in SCIENCE FICTION! I GIVE IT A 3! I have no time to debate this with you... you made your comment and I made mine now get on with your life and I hope you truly find the truth.

First off, I admit my early mistake in my response, I did say "movie into a book". We athiest's do admit when we make mistakes. I read the book when it first came out, and with a more open mind than you I'm sure. I don't judge you for wanting to believe in something, I have no problem with people who need something to believe in. What I have a problem with is when the doctrine becomes so powerful that it can disguise atrocities and get away with anything. How do you explain the Catholic Churches role in the Genocide in Rwanda? Do some research on that subject and you will find the Catholic Church is not as clean and pure as you believe it is. It has its own agenda; whether or not you choose to see it is entirely up to you. I don't know what I believe in, but I assure you whatever it is, I never have to pay a cent in order to do it. The freedom to believe in something should not come at a monetary cost. You clearly only saw what you wanted to see in the film. The film demonstrated that it is possible for any organization to be infiltrated by people who would see it brought to its knees, even the Catholic Church. No organization is perfect, no people within an organization are perfect. Humanity is generally flawed. As far as me having my head in the sand, fortunately for me, I yanked my head out a long time ago, it is your head which remains firmly planted in the ground. Don't misconstrue sarcasm for lack of intelligence. I assure you, I can debate this issue intelligently and poignantly with you, but I'm sure neither of us would benefit from such a discussion using this forum. I hope you find what you are looking for, as I know that I will."I don't know", is the most honest answer anyone can offer to the questions that religion poses, and that is all Angels & Demons is suggesting.

First off, I admit my early mistake in my response, I did say "movie into a book". We athiest's do admit when we make mistakes. I read the book when it first came out, and with a more open mind than you I'm sure. I don't judge you for wanting to believe in something, I have no problem with people who need something to believe in. What I have a problem with is when the doctrine becomes so powerful that it can disguise atrocities and get away with anything. How do you explain the Catholic Churches role in the Genocide in Rwanda? Do some research on that subject and you will find the Catholic Church is not as clean and pure as you believe it is. It has its own agenda; whether or not you choose to see it is entirely up to you. I don't know what I believe in, but I assure you whatever it is, I never have to pay a cent in order to do it. The freedom to believe in something should not come at a monetary cost. You clearly only saw what you wanted to see in the film. The film demonstrated that it is possible for any organization to be infiltrated by people who would see it brought to its knees, even the Catholic Church. No organization is perfect, no people within an organization are perfect. Humanity is generally flawed. As far as me having my head in the sand, fortunately for me, I yanked my head out a long time ago, it is your head which remains firmly planted in the ground. Don't misconstrue sarcasm for lack of intelligence. I assure you, I can debate this issue intelligently and poignantly with you, but I'm sure neither of us would benefit from such a discussion using this forum. I hope you find what you are looking for, as I know that I will."I don't know", is the most honest answer anyone can offer to the questions that religion poses, and that is all Angels & Demons is suggesting.

Believe it or not we Christians admit our mistakes as well. It's the central part of Christianity and specifically in the Catholic Church going to confession. So thanks for admitting. Now, assuming that you have a more open mind than me without actually knowing me makes me wonder about you and the statements you make. Is that fair my friend? Check this out... open mind and faith are at odds with each other. On the one hand I can agree with you and say I have an open mind and I can be politically correct and agree with everything so nobody is offended, but then, someone else will tell me I have no faith. When a person has faith in something, that's what it is. It doesn't mean they don't have an open mind, it just means they are convinced that something is true and they put their faith in it. And let me add that having faith is not an easy thing to come by. Try it sometime. I have my doubts all the time and search and seek but for me it all comes down to the same thing. When I lack in faith I ask and receive. I would like to recommend a book to you called "Mere Christianity" - and no I am not out to convert you - that would not be my doing anyway. It's a book by C. S. Lewis and basically Lewis says," whatever it is you believe you must come to a decision about Christ. He either is who He said He was or He is a lunatic on the level of a pouched egg". For me I made my decision. I believe. There are other things I could tell you but this is not the place for it. I do agree with you on one point and that is that as long as human beings are involved there will be flaws. Regardless of flaws, it is not in the men who organize the Church that I put my faith in but in the only Son of God who was willing for Love's sake to give His own life. For you and me. Peace to you - over and out.

I am sorry... but can you point the age of innocence? I am a believer but I also have the capacity to see that the Catholic church committed many atrocities. You actually don't think the Catholic church got all that money from being nice and pious all the time, do you? It is just a movie, see it for what it is and move on... The world is still as bad as it was 1000 years ago. Every generation comes out saying that it was great in their time and the new generation is bad...

Isn't it interesting how someone can say "I love a good Catholic bashing", and we Christian Catholics sit back and move on letting sit in your mud - if you had said - I love a good Jewish bashing or a Muslim bashing, you can be rest assured that Cinema Clock would have been contacted by God knows who, possibly threatening for allowing someone to make such a statement and maybe even looking for you - for us we Christians will turn the other cheek - it is the will of God and of Christ. This is not just coming from me - name me one time ever that there has ever been an uprising or protesting out in the streets from something someone said about Catholics?

Isn't it interesting how someone can say "I love a good Catholic bashing", and we Christian Catholics sit back and move on letting sit in your mud - if you had said - I love a good Jewish bashing or a Muslim bashing, you can be rest assured that Cinema Clock would have been contacted by God knows who, possibly threatening for allowing someone to make such a statement and maybe even looking for you - for us we Christians will turn the other cheek - it is the will of God and of Christ. This is not just coming from me - name me one time ever that there has ever been an uprising or protesting out in the streets from something someone said about Catholics?

The age of innocence is relative my friend. Compared to what's going on these days, the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s and I will even go to the 70s and 80s - before gangster rap music brought on a culture of gun violence as being cool. I am referring to the pornographic industry being the biggest seller of any product out there today and the fascination for breast enhancement by women is right out of control. I am talking about when it was cool to love thy neighbor - and if there was ever a reason to have a fight with someone in the schoolyard you would do it like a man and go fist to fist with one another and then become friends instead of running to your closet and finding a gun. I don't know where you're from, but in Toronto we had a young 15 year old school girl killed in the line of fire because two gangs decided they would shoot at each other on boxing day on a crowded downtown street. That's what I am referring to. Secondly, you being cynical about the Catholic church and how they got their money tells me that you are judging. And that is very typical of some who consider themselves Christians and then judge other Christians. Christian unity now! To be a real Christian you must love everyone and not pick the other apart. That's easy to do - anybody can do that. But to look at the Catholic Church for the good that it does, there's a challenge for you my friend. I'm in it, I know. Check out what an agency called Share Life does. 91% of what they raise goes directly to 55 charities, while others and I won't name who, takes 80% for adminstrative costs. Lastly, the world is not as bad as it was 1000 years ago. That's an insane statement. We have certainly evolved in many ways but I agree not completely at the divine level. And yes I know that it's just a movie and I do see it for what it is - it is lopsided and unbalanced. And I have moved on like last week but I keep getting these replies so I just thought I would have the good manners to answer. Have a nice day my fellow believing friend.

Dude you're not atheist, you're too smart and inquisitive to not acknowledge God. Just ignore the formalities and accept the love. I dont dig Catholicism, I personally feel they have watered down Jesus and his devoted adventures. Hell is real and so is Heaven, the in between is for you to figure out, but do it fast cause death is unexpected. This movie has simply made money for their own endeavours and I'm sure the church contributes more to relieving chaos then the producers, actors, director of this film have or will in the future. It's not about giving money to a church, its about giving period. We the public will afford our money to corporations that have ravaged the world. But we wont attend church because we feel we are being tricked out of our money with a false illusion? LMAO see the irony? Use the Bible as a parameter, use your intuition to expand the soul with prayer. Dont imagine God or Jesus, just imagine love, I promise you your first prayer will be given as long as its heartfelt. Keep in mind how important it is for you to help those who need guidance, being a false leader will develop negative energy from those you deceive, resulting in 'bad luck'. Positive energy will aspire from those you help, you dont need church to obtain a key into heaven, all you need is a wealth of good deeds. Those actions will define you as a human, turning your back with selfish ambition will define you as an animal, and animals will remain on earth after death because they are blind to the light that will arrive when you die. Read 'The Shack' its all you'll ever need in determining what's what in this fake religious hypocrisy.

To riverdalekid: I enjoyed your debate and agree with everything you have said, our contemporary society has become more dysfunctional and corrupted. God is hope and we don't need "proof" to believe in him.

Actually, it is not by "deeds" that gets you into the Kingdom of Heaven, but on the realization of what God's love has done for you. And what God's love has done for you is to send Himself in human form to save us from our own iniquities. Formulate a conscious, and look within and see and then be thankful for God's great deed. I am reading the Shack as well, and you will find the very same thing in there... Dude!

Marian - Bless your heart for your comment. I sometimes get the feeling that I'm all alone when debating these issues.

Marian - Bless your heart for your comment. I sometimes get the feeling that I'm all alone when debating these issues.